McCain - Palin

[kite]

you are god, god is everyone.

[Fire2box]

Originally Posted by Diapered4lyfe

Considering the views that palin has expressed I would say these debates are justified.

People are debating on religion vs evolution as well as throwing in the flying spaghetti monster for laughs. Not one of these people are governor Palin and no one here can represent her.

[Darkfinn]

Originally Posted by doubledbbw

I just know that she gave a great speech last night. I will have no problem voting for her and John McCain in November. I guess the cats out of the bag now. I am a life long Republican and Conservative. Though I am not so happy with our current President I still support him. I just want to see a President in the White House that will Appoint Conservative Supreme Court Justices. And help us out of the current bind we are in with foreign oil and our dependence on it. I say Drill Here Drill Now!

Funny... if you look at the record, W has put more Supreme Court Justices on the bench than any other President. You must also realise that if we started building platforms to drill today, we wouldn't see any increase in petrolium production for 5-10 years. The conservatives are never going to do anything but the barest minimum necessary to help us out of our dependance on oil.

In 1993 Congress created an incentive for the "Big 3" automakers (Chevy, Ford, Chrysler) to develop an 80MPG engine that would be fully tested and ready to manufacture by the year 2000. The program progressed... Chevy made a 80MPG prototype... Ford and Chrysler hit 72MPG. Then good ol' W got put into office... and killed the program. Those cars would sure be nice to have today.

So please... read up on petrolium companies, politicians, and recent history before you go off voting for the conservatives. They're not going to do anything to help us out of our current situation. W himself has hailed McCain as his successor... so don't think for a minute things are going to change. People vote conservative b/c they want things to stay the same... and if you are happy with the state of economic, sociological, and political affairs in this country you must be delusional.

And for a little bit more insight on the Republican VP candidate... I submit the following. SARAH PALIN, QUEEN OF THE NOBODIES - Yahoo! News

[Charlie F]

Originally Posted by Valentine

Even in teaching about religions, some religion must be taught. You cannot teach about a religion without at least some explanation of the religion. Where is the line crossed?

Of course there as to be explanation of the religion. I think the line is quite clear, it's the difference between "Christians believe [x], [y] and [z]" and "[x], [y] and [z] are the case". It's the difference between teaching one religion and teaching many religions.

If you say "God created the world" then that's not right because that's putting beliefs forward as fact, whereas "Christians believe that God created the world" is right because that's a fact.

The line is crossed when a belief is put forward as a fact.

[Fire2box]

Originally Posted by Darkfinn

In 1993 Congress created an incentive for the "Big 3" automakers (Chevy, Ford, Chrysler) to develop an 80MPG engine that would be fully tested and ready to manufacture by the year 2000. The program progressed... Chevy made a 80MPG prototype... Ford and Chrysler hit 72MPG. Then good ol' W got put into office... and killed the program. Those cars would sure be nice to have today.

If they already had working prototypes then there's no reason why they shouldn't make them. How is it bush's fault if they already hit their mark and they never put them into production? Anyways once again you claim something and show no evidence of it at all, please give sources/evidence.

[Darkfinn]

Originally Posted by Fire2box

If they already had working prototypes then there's no reason why they shouldn't make them. How is it bush's fault if they already hit their mark and they never put them into production? Anyways once again you claim something and show no evidence of it at all, please give sources/evidence.

Go look up "The Partnership for a New Generation of Vehicles" that was started by the Clinton administration there buddy boy. Read all about it.

And to rectify my mis-speaking earlier... it was 97, not 93.

They stopped making them b/c at the time there was little demand... and when Bush withdrew the Federal support for the program all the money they were using for development dissapeared.

Also... something else I found that interests me... a letter written by an Alaskan housewife... one of Palin's close acquaintances that grew up with her. It's a nice shocker that lets you in on a bit more of her scandal of a political career... Crosscut Seattle - About Sarah Palin: an e-mail from Wasilla

[chevre]

I haven't read into it, but I'm skeptical that they had working prototypes, or else they would have gone and dusted them off now. These companies are taking a serious beating and are in danger of failing.. I don't think any political favors would convince them to not roll out such a vehicle if they had one.

[Valentine]

Originally Posted by Darkfinn

Go look up "The Partnership for a New Generation of Vehicles" that was started by the Clinton administration there buddy boy. Read all about it.

And to rectify my mis-speaking earlier... it was 97, not 93.

They stopped making them b/c at the time there was little demand... and when Bush withdrew the Federal support for the program all the money they were using for development dissapeared.

Also... something else I found that interests me... a letter written by an Alaskan housewife... one of Palin's close acquaintances that grew up with her. It's a nice shocker that lets you in on a bit more of her scandal of a political career... Crosscut Seattle - About Sarah Palin: an e-mail from Wasilla

I went and looked it up, and you seem to have left off an interesting fact.
PNGV.ORG - About
Bush replaced the program, Wiki says at the auto manufacturers request, with a new program to replace gasoline engines with Fuel Cell and other non polluting technology. Vehicle Technologies Program: FreedomCAR and Fuel

Which is better, improved gas mileage, or the removal of dependence on foreign oil, and the elimination of auto pollution?

BTW, it was 1993 that it was established.

[Darkfinn]

Originally Posted by Valentine

I went and looked it up, and you seem to have left off an interesting fact.
PNGV.ORG - About
Bush replaced the program, Wiki says at the auto manufacturers request, with a new program to replace gasoline engines with Fuel Cell and other non polluting technology. Vehicle Technologies Program: FreedomCAR and Fuel

Which is better, improved gas mileage, or the removal of dependence on foreign oil, and the elimination of auto pollution?

BTW, it was 1993 that it was established.

Bush did replace the program... but he scrapped every advance that had already been made... reset the stage to zero... and now instead of having those 80MPG cars in these times of high gas prices we are stuck waiting on the "Hydrogen Fuel Cell" vehicles that won't be practical for another 10 years. He had to replace the program, or face harsh criticism for cancelling the previous one from Congress... but let's face it... he did shut down all the great progress that had been made... keeping us dependant on more "foreign oil" for years longer... and lining his pockets in the mean time. I would take that 80MPG right now over a promise of not needing gas at all in 10 years.

Don't try to twist it into a good thing.

Chevre: All the prototypes and research were done away with when the program was cancelled... Detroit has little to no technology left from that program to "dust off"... what they do have can be seen in the few American Hybrid vehicles. Besides... it takes a minimum of 2 years do develop and roll out a brand new vehicle... you are looking at probably 5 years to fully implement a new vehicle with a new powertrane. By that time the current crisis will have passed.

[Dash]

I'm gonna be really unproductive and ask the blunt question.

When asked on public radio what he thought about the situations in the East, did John McCain really reply, to the melody of Barbara-Ann by the Beach Boys, "Bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran"?

And if the answer is no... f*** it. It's still hilarious.