McDonalds Supporting Gays? BOYCOTT!!

[Kovalchuk]

I think that McD is targeting gays in their ads, trying to get that "hip" clientele they seek to improve their image, on the stereotype that all gays are "hip". It's like how they target African-Americans... don't believe me? Think about it. Look at the commercials, the "I'm Lovin' It"... it almost seems like they think that whites have wizened up, and black people are still dumb enough to eat their food. (But maybe I'm just biased because I prefer Burger King )

However, I agree with what FullMetal said, too. It isn't doing any harm.

[ade]

i boycott McDonalds cos it's shit......
that includes it's entire corporate ethos.

[MarkFox]

Originally Posted by DannyTheNinja

There's a big difference between "supporting gays" and simply having employee policies of tolerating them. This is where the AFA is wrong.

I don't think it's a case of tolerating anybody. I think the whole idea of tolerance is out of kin with reality; tolerance is used to ignore something that someone or some entity doesn't like but has to deal with.

To quote Stonewall, "Some people are gay. Get over it."

I'm gay, and i'm certainly not asking for your tolerance, McDonald's tolerance, or anyone elses tolerance for that matter. I don't need it. I have the legalright to not be discriminated against anyway, and if you don't respect that I might just do 'The American thing' and 'sue the hell out of ya'...

Originally Posted by DannyTheNinja

Let me come out right in the open with something right now: my family halong been in support of the AFA boycotts.

Good for them. If they are too weak-minded to form their own opinion and would prefer for some viciferous right-wing militia to do it for them, then that's their choice I suppose.

Originally Posted by DannyTheNinja

Yes, I am a Christian and I have a personal belief that homosexuality is wrong for a variety of reasons that I'm not going into.

Good for you! Every person is entitled to their own opinion afterall.

Originally Posted by DannyTheNinja

That's my personal stance. But it doesn't mean that I hate all gay people.

That would make you rather hypocritical though, wouldn't it? Does you religion allow for such hyprocricy?

Originally Posted by DannyTheNinja

...you're a good friend of mine but you're gay, I'll probably eventually bring up the topic of religion and if you're not interested or are perfectly happy with your current standing and don't wish to hear anymore of me, I won't bug you about it anymore.

This puzzles me. You believe homosexuality is wrong, yet you don't hate 'all' gay people, and even have homosexual friends?

Wow. I think i'm going to dislike murder, not hate all murderers, and invite one over for dinner tommorow night.

Originally Posted by DannyTheNinja

...I have a hard time believing that everything that AFA says is right.

Well, that's sensical at least.

Originally Posted by DannyTheNinja

Broadening things a bit, here's my stance on legalizing homosexual marriages in the USA. If it happens, then gay people will be getting married all over the place. How is it any different from what's going on right now, except for the fact that it's being recognized legally as a marriage?

It's called equality. And it isn't legal recognition for the homosexual orientation, it would be legal recognition for the act of union between two persons of the same physical gender. An important difference.

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[MarkFox]

Originally Posted by Samaki

She is a very good friend of mine, and she's awesome, she doesn't know about me of course but she's still awesome.

I'm not about to tell anyone how to manage their friendships because it's really none of my concern and i'm not too interested either. But - surely if this person is such a good friend to you, you would be comfortable telling them about whatever she doesn't 'know' about you?

Originally Posted by Samaki

I don't get how anyone could hate someone for just being who they are...

Because they are too stupid to consider anything else, they've been brainwashed, or their a member of some religion or another and fear the consequences of straying from it's doctrine, most probably.

Originally Posted by Samaki

My main thought for the purpose of having gays is maybe god or this higher being thought that the world was getting to overpopulated or something and just decided the best way to lower the population was to make gays and lesbians.

Lol, that's amusing.

I'm not religious, so obviously I don't believe that. I am still of the perspective that it's biological; afterall, homosexuality has been observed in animals.

Originally Posted by whitefox

[color=#0099FF]My view on the issue about AFA (President?) Donald E. Wildmon is summed up by the first comment, which made me laugh several times before looking at the others: "what an asshat".

Asshole, would be my choice of phrasing, but yes.

Originally Posted by whitefox

I think that is why most people here would agree with what McDonald's did.

Yes, I do.

I have a cynical side and whilst i'm willing to ponder the thought that it was merely in search of the "Pink Pound" the fact that they were willing to risk their share price is commendable.

Originally Posted by whitefox

Anyways, I support McDonald's decision nonetheless...

So do I, also see below.

Originally Posted by gamebaby

Well supporting gay is just another step for all the other weird things we like to do. maby someday they will suport us if we are lucky.

How dare you...

Being gay is weird then right? Something to be persecuted, abolished, "cured", bred out of the species? Perhaps you'd also condone genocide if it suited the purpose of ridding the world of homosexuality?!

Maybe a little knee-jerk reaction in my text there, but still.

Homosexuality should not be considered to be of equal context to infantilism.

I'm sorry, but I didn't chose to be gay. I'm happy to be gay, but I did not chose it. I chose to be involved in infantilistic practices.

Besides, one is a sexual orientation, and the other a fetish!

Originally Posted by Peachy

Lol...a while ago, you used to get media attention for supporting gays. Nowadays, you get (negative) media attention for not supporting them.

The media will write for its biggest perceived customer-base, also known as it's biggest perceived customer. Thus, it will always write whatever it thinks is most likely to generate sales of newspapers, TV airtime, subscribers, etc.

Originally Posted by Peachy

Also, where do all those people with totally screwed up opinions about other people come from? Since when do they have any right to interfere with someone else's business. I hope that generation will die out soon!

**Hi 5's Peachy :-D

Originally Posted by ade

i boycott McDonalds cos it's shit......
that includes it's entire corporate ethos.

And don't tell me, you still shop/purchase products from another corporate entity?

A little of a newsflash, but they're all pretty similar.

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Okay, now for my perspective. I am going to endure the 'McJob' comments and the endless unfounded stereotype-driven assumptions and admit that I have worked for McDonalds before, and until fairly recently.

I resigned last week, but for reasons completely unrelated to my sexuality.

I've worked for two stores of McDonalds here in the UK, Exeter (Devon) down in southwestern England, and Loughborough (Leicestershire) up here in the East Midlands.

Between the two, i've worked for the company for the best part of three years.

I have never, ever, experienced ANY problems, in any form, including discrimination, harassment, etc because i'm gay.

Not relevant? They're targetting customers right?

No. Discrimination, does not, discriminate; if you genuinelly dislike people of a certain sexual orientation, you aren't going to give a damn who they are. And if you treat your employees badly because of it, you don't think they're going to tell someone?

I think the negative PR of a legal case on the subject would scare them enough into not doing any of the such. Especially here in the UK, with the McLibel case still in the memory of many people.

With all the faults of McDonalds, and the company does have many, i've felt safer working there in terms of any potential danger to my safety resulting from my sexual orientation than anywhere i've previously worked, period.

This alone inclines me to believe that there is some substance behind the position of McDonalds that the AFA is so scared of.

Actually, the fact that an entity such as the AFA is so enraged by the stance of McDonalds would give me more reason to eat there! (And I don't do that too often, i'm always thinking of my waistline...)

MarkFox

[Samaki]

Originally Posted by MarkFox

I'm not about to tell anyone how to manage their friendships because it's really none of my concern and i'm not too interested either. But - surely if this person is such a good friend to you, you would be comfortable telling them about whatever she doesn't 'know' about you?

Not even looking at where you live I could tell by reading this you don't live in the south east US. About 3 or 4 months ago a guy around the age of 25 about 10 miles from my neighborhood was shot, stabbed, beaten and set on fire with oil and matches. Want to know why? Because he was gay. Just saying your gay around here could get you seriously hurt, and she's not my closest friend, and I trust her but not as much as some of my other friends, this is practically one of the only things I won't tell her.

The south east part of the US is one of the most prejudiced areas in the world, at least I've found it to be.

And I'm in the area that has a lot of it, in the middle of Florida is where a lot of it is, North Florida doesn't have much prejudice which is why I plan on going to FSU which is up north, when I go to college, that and I want to major in some form of audio I dunno what yet.

[Peachy]

Originally Posted by Samaki

About 3 or 4 months ago a guy around the age of 25 about 10 miles from my neighborhood was shot, stabbed, beaten and set on fire with oil and matches. Want to know why? Because he was gay.

We're talking about a professional company though. Companies that offer a replacable product have to invest huge sums of money into building a good reputation. McDonald's will do everything in their power to be a good corporate citizens and would never discriminate against anyone, just to avoid any kind of negative publicity that would ruin billions of dollars worth of investments into reputation building.

however, discrimination on a private level, like by your neighbors or other people in your neighborhood is a different thing. Companies can protect their employees from such harrassment, but in a private setting, you're pretty much on your own.

Peachy

[Zodiac Pup]

Meh I don't like McDonald's. Even if I double-size the hamburger, it still be a small hamburger.

For me the AFA is a bunch of close-minded deviant retards.

Originally Posted by MarkFox

How dare you...

Being gay is weird then right? Something to be persecuted, abolished, "cured", bred out of the species? Perhaps you'd also condone genocide if it suited the purpose of ridding the world of homosexuality?!

Maybe a little knee-jerk reaction in my text there, but still.

Homosexuality should not be considered to be of equal context to infantilism.

I'm sorry, but I didn't chose to be gay. I'm happy to be gay, but I did not chose it. I chose to be involved in infantilistic practices.

Besides, one is a sexual orientation, and the other a fetish!

I think you're overreacting a little

[handfulofoats]

dear markfox,

you're post is definitely an eye-opener...

people complain about the rightist being to close-minded, but no one realizes that the "open-minded" people can't get over others' opinions either. get over what other people think and don't come on the forums to bash the people you disagree with. you have just as much hatred for them as they you.

love,
handfulofoats

more on topic: a huge corporation moving to support the community, even if its for PR or profit, it a big step for the community. it shows that the nation is moving in a direction of more open-mindedness. i wouldn't be surprised if all 50 states in the US allow gay-marriage in the next 5 years.

[Samaki]

I don't eat McDonalds AT ALL. Last time I had it was probably about 3 weeks ago, the only reason was because I was really hungry and my friend mom had gone out and brought home some.... I just had like the what is it 4 pack of nuggets -.-. I can't eat there burgers.

Also I'm trying to eat A LOT less meat, and I'm proud to say that tonight was the first time I've had meat in like 3 days =D. I'm not only trying to lose weight but I've seen some serious PETA videos, most of them wouldn't have moved me but I watched so many it's starting to make me feel bad -.-. Now I don't agree with a lot of what PETA does but I also don't agree with a lot of what these people do to the animals, so I'm going to stop eating a lot of meat because I've known what happened to it when it was living.

[Colonel Brome Teks]

Heck, I don't care if anyone's gay. And good for McDonalds to support this, even for just publicity.

On the topic of the AFA, how does homosexuality possibly affect the ever changing american family, and why ON EARTH do these people go so far out of their way to protest against someone else's civil rights?