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redtails · 20-06-2008

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Originally Posted by Charlie F

I don't think that this porn hurts anyone, so why ban it?

I guess that's the right thing about it. It hurts no one really. Well I'm not truly against any form of porn because I don't have or use any. As long as the internet exists all forms of porn will exist because the internet is a big floating cloud void of rules and order.

Jaiden · 20-06-2008

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Originally Posted by redtails

Am I the only one disgusted by this? I think it's a good thing countries ban ridiculous porn like child porn, animal porn, and pretty much any illegal version of porn. I believe raping someone and videotaping it belongs in this category. So, in other words, if this violent sex really is about making it seem like they're raping people, why not ban it?

Because it isn't raping someone and videotaping it; it's pretending to rape someone and videotaping it. That's a huge difference.

Don't get me wrong, I personally find it sleazy and unpleasant to say the least and it is not something that titillates me but it is consensual and if people want to do this then they should absolutely have the right to do so. It is not the role of government to prevent citizens from doing things they disapprove of, it is the role of government to serve and protect - they have an obligation and responsibility to attempt to reduce things that actually cause harm, not to control and limit people into only acting in a manner they deem proper. Criminalising choice because it is unsavoury is arrogant, presumptuous and unacceptable government.

Two old adages ring true here:
- "I disapprove of what you say [do], but I will defend to the death you're right to say [do] it." Often miss-attributed to Voltaire but actually said by his biographer, Evelyn Beatrice as a summation of his views.
- "People should not fear their government, their government should fear the people." Don't actually know who this is attributed to. I suppose it's similar enough to a Jefferson quote but, whatever, the principle is sound.

Animal and child porn are completely different, incidentally, because they are not consensual acts between adults.

UnMarth · 20-06-2008

I remember my freinds talking about this awhile back.

But it was something along the lines of that it is illegal to have in your possession and materials that contain or depict violent and or actions that harm any form of genitalia in the pictures.

So what stops a couple from acting out a rape scene, taking pictures and keeping them for their own personal use? Its silly I think. Rape is illegal, but acting them out like I mentioned shouldn't be. If all party members are conftable with the idea.

I feel the whole notion of It contains people doing bad things, we should ban it. Bullying happens at schools, bullying is bad. So Ban schools? Hell no. It doesn't hurt anybody watching a video made perfectly legally of some people badly acting a rape scene.

Also, recently in the UK. They have made it illegal to trade CGI images of child porn. Because apparently paedophiles were getting away with it by converting the real images into CGI and pulling off that excuse "But its only a cartoon". Where do you draw the line with disturbing images? The cartoons have not hurt any children in the making, yet does it encourage the behaver of having sexual relations with children and make it acceptible in society?

I feel it should be banned, As its not acceptable to think that its within the norm. If I knew some one that enjoyed looking at these cartoons or bad acting. I would still be worried about their well being and any people that he meets up with.

**Shupie** · 20-06-2008

I think the only porn that should be banned is porn that's made with people or animals who have not and can not consent to it. Real rape is not good. Real violence is not good. And child porn? Goodness no! Aside from that, if people want to pretend to engage in so-and-so a scene, they're of legal age and consent, and they want to sell what they made, people ought to have the right to buy and own it. Better than going out and engaging in their fantasies with someone unwilling. Either way, the thought is going to be there, be they have visual aid or not, because certain things people will simply like.

And, I know this was posted quite a while ago, but as for rap... I'm not a fan of today's rap at all. I don't know if I agree that it ought to be outright banned, but I know I hate it and I hate the current trend in black culture today. I must say though that rap was not always as trashy as it is today. When it was first made there were quite a few enjoyable, decent, songs that I have no problem listening to if it comes on the radio. But like with a lot of things, time changes stuff.

redtails · 20-06-2008

There's one thing that has been bothering me though. If this "violent porn" is about a bunch of people pretending to rape each other and video tape it. How can the viewer know for sure either of them are willing to do such a thing? If it's acted correctly it should seem like one of them really doesn't want to have sex. In other words, you'll never know whether it's illegal or not unless it's all illegal

Jaiden · 20-06-2008

You'd have to be bloody stupid to rape someone for real and then record the act in progress as a video designed or distribution - that's basically a prosecutor's dream and you would go to jail for many, many years on the back of such irrefutable proof. It's not a thing that would be easy to get away with.

**Charlie F** · 20-06-2008

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Originally Posted by redtails

There's one thing that has been bothering me though. If this "violent porn" is about a bunch of people pretending to rape each other and video tape it. How can the viewer know for sure either of them are willing to do such a thing? If it's acted correctly it should seem like one of them really doesn't want to have sex. In other words, you'll never know whether it's illegal or not unless it's all illegal

The sites make it quite clear that the rape is fake... I doubt that any site would be foolish enough to show real rape videos!

dogboy · 20-06-2008

Rape films reminds me when snuff films were all the talk. I think there was a movie made about it called 8 millimeter, a very disturbing film. Anyway, rape is not about sex, but rather about rage, violence and control, or so the psychiatrists say. Personally I'm not for banning material that doesn't harm others. Historically, dictators have used book banning in order to suppress the masses. Here in the U.S., we went through a period where conservatives were trying to ban books like "Huckleberry Finn" and "Catcher in the Rye", one of my all time favorites. Child porn obviously victimizes children, and animal porn IMO is disgusting, and victimizes the animal.

redtails · 21-06-2008

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Originally Posted by dogboy

Rape films reminds me when snuff films were all the talk. I think there was a movie made about it called 8 millimeter, a very disturbing film. Anyway, rape is not about sex, but rather about rage, violence and control, or so the psychiatrists say. Personally I'm not for banning material that doesn't harm others. Historically, dictators have used book banning in order to suppress the masses. Here in the U.S., we went through a period where conservatives were trying to ban books like "Huckleberry Finn" and "Catcher in the Rye", one of my all time favorites. Child porn obviously victimizes children, and animal porn IMO is disgusting, and victimizes the animal.

I remember the book banning from history class. Although I must say some books are currently still banned by our governments. I mean you're obviously not allowed to have books like the one written by A. Hitler. There are a few other books like that but I can't really remember their titles. Whether that's freedom of speech, trying to hide what people of the past were like, or just the government trying to protect their people is upto yourself to decide. I mean it's not like you can't get the books, the Gutenberg Project has them anyway.

Jaiden · 21-06-2008

Not sure where you're from and I imagine that might be the case in a few of the more sensitive areas of Europe, but Mein Kampf is readily and legally available here. I've got a copy actually; aside from the disgusting ideology it proposes it is one of the most incoherent and rambling pieces of writing I've ever read. Quite an interesting insight into the mind of such an extraordinary figure as Hitler though, which is why I read it.

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20-06-2008	#13 (permalink)
UnMarth Mite!☆Mite! Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: e Posts: 932 Threads: 21 Gallery Uploads: 1 Wiki Edits: 64 Blog Entries: 27 Reputation: 25	I remember my freinds talking about this awhile back. But it was something along the lines of that it is illegal to have in your possession and materials that contain or depict violent and or actions that harm any form of genitalia in the pictures. So what stops a couple from acting out a rape scene, taking pictures and keeping them for their own personal use? Its silly I think. Rape is illegal, but acting them out like I mentioned shouldn't be. If all party members are conftable with the idea. I feel the whole notion of It contains people doing bad things, we should ban it. Bullying happens at schools, bullying is bad. So Ban schools? Hell no. It doesn't hurt anybody watching a video made perfectly legally of some people badly acting a rape scene. Also, recently in the UK. They have made it illegal to trade CGI images of child porn. Because apparently paedophiles were getting away with it by converting the real images into CGI and pulling off that excuse "But its only a cartoon". Where do you draw the line with disturbing images? The cartoons have not hurt any children in the making, yet does it encourage the behaver of having sexual relations with children and make it acceptible in society? I feel it should be banned, As its not acceptable to think that its within the norm. If I knew some one that enjoyed looking at these cartoons or bad acting. I would still be worried about their well being and any people that he meets up with.

20-06-2008	#14 (permalink)
Shupie Lurker Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: New York City Age: 21 Posts: 96 Threads: 2 Reputation: 7	I think the only porn that should be banned is porn that's made with people or animals who have not and can not consent to it. Real rape is not good. Real violence is not good. And child porn? Goodness no! Aside from that, if people want to pretend to engage in so-and-so a scene, they're of legal age and consent, and they want to sell what they made, people ought to have the right to buy and own it. Better than going out and engaging in their fantasies with someone unwilling. Either way, the thought is going to be there, be they have visual aid or not, because certain things people will simply like. And, I know this was posted quite a while ago, but as for rap... I'm not a fan of today's rap at all. I don't know if I agree that it ought to be outright banned, but I know I hate it and I hate the current trend in black culture today. I must say though that rap was not always as trashy as it is today. When it was first made there were quite a few enjoyable, decent, songs that I have no problem listening to if it comes on the radio. But like with a lot of things, time changes stuff.

20-06-2008	#15 (permalink)
redtails Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: My backgarden Age: 19 Posts: 976 Threads: 15 Gallery Uploads: 46 Wiki Edits: 3 Blog Entries: 2 Reputation: 20	There's one thing that has been bothering me though. If this "violent porn" is about a bunch of people pretending to rape each other and video tape it. How can the viewer know for sure either of them are willing to do such a thing? If it's acted correctly it should seem like one of them really doesn't want to have sex. In other words, you'll never know whether it's illegal or not unless it's all illegal

20-06-2008	#16 (permalink)
Jaiden Look up, Hannah. Look up! Donor Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: England Posts: 629 Threads: 26 Wiki Edits: 1 Blog Entries: 7 Reputation: 52	You'd have to be bloody stupid to rape someone for real and then record the act in progress as a video designed or distribution - that's basically a prosecutor's dream and you would go to jail for many, many years on the back of such irrefutable proof. It's not a thing that would be easy to get away with.

20-06-2008	#18 (permalink)
dogboy VIP Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 3,083 Threads: 7 Reputation: 136	Rape films reminds me when snuff films were all the talk. I think there was a movie made about it called 8 millimeter, a very disturbing film. Anyway, rape is not about sex, but rather about rage, violence and control, or so the psychiatrists say. Personally I'm not for banning material that doesn't harm others. Historically, dictators have used book banning in order to suppress the masses. Here in the U.S., we went through a period where conservatives were trying to ban books like "Huckleberry Finn" and "Catcher in the Rye", one of my all time favorites. Child porn obviously victimizes children, and animal porn IMO is disgusting, and victimizes the animal.

21-06-2008	#20 (permalink)
Jaiden Look up, Hannah. Look up! Donor Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: England Posts: 629 Threads: 26 Wiki Edits: 1 Blog Entries: 7 Reputation: 52	Not sure where you're from and I imagine that might be the case in a few of the more sensitive areas of Europe, but Mein Kampf is readily and legally available here. I've got a copy actually; aside from the disgusting ideology it proposes it is one of the most incoherent and rambling pieces of writing I've ever read. Quite an interesting insight into the mind of such an extraordinary figure as Hitler though, which is why I read it.