Sara Palin is steping down from office.

[NoahKokoro]

Originally Posted by Fire2box

Palin has been attack much more then obama has ever been. Plus when obama won he was pretty much being called the second coming, he was even able to joke about it nearly calling himself superman. No one gives credit to those little idiotic groups that said Obama was a muslim extremist. With Palin it's places like MSNBC and The New York Times attacking her, not some random idiots online.

You have to realize that men don't take to change easily, especially when it comes to power. Before, the president's position (the greatest power in the US) belonged to white men. So the thought of a woman (because people think she's going to run for president in 2012) gaining that power is a big change that people just don't seem to be ready for (not that I think it's right). It's true that a black man as president is a change, but he's still a man and therefore better than if it was a woman as president (again, not my view, but my take on the views of the masses). If you look at the patterns of history (which there are alot of) in the US, white men were above everyone else. Later on black men got equal rights to white men, and then women got equal rights. Based on this pattern, a black president would be recieved better than the idea of a woman president, for now at least. Sorry if that was kinda rambley and hard to understand.

[Fire2box]

Originally Posted by DHLA40S

I know, it points to no real tangible issue, but why would a National news syndicate run this?

All I'm saying is that when you thrust yourself into the political limelight, you should be able to handle, and respond to what ever crap that the media digs up. Fact or not.

I agree with you on the last part but unless I know what they were saying during that discussion I can't really judge it. Fox News has some really stupid title cards sometimes, but most of the time they are discussing with their own thoughts on the subject and not really stating facts. Of course other media outlets do the same thing too. It's nearly impossible to find just factual information without getting that person's view on the matter, Just like I did with this topic I stated the fact she was stepping down then I gave my view of it.

[Diapered Rabbit]

[QUOTE=Chillhouse;239684]......Jesus planted the dinosaur bones underground to mislead us and test our faith in God?!"

That account IS TRUE. It was written in one of the lost gospels in Generalities 6:14-37 "Now Jesus took the chicken bone, lifting it heavenward, blessed it and buried it. And about that time it came to pass that all over the lands of the earth mysterious bones began to multiply in the substrate to both baffle and deceive the unbelieving and fearful. And when all of the bones shall appear, as destined by intelligent design, in the fullness of time, they shall become a stumbling block for the arrogant and unbelieving. This shall lead to much haughty and high-minded speculation by the arrogant and self willed. They shall propose Big-Government and oppose the will of the Almighty. They shall cleave to their vain imaginations and propose to be gods by manipulating human stem-cells to end disease.

Yet, it will come about in those days that the true believer shall resist understanding and the blasphemers vain imaginations. They shall use any means to discredit and harm these that are abominable in His sight, because that is His will. They will be called upon to be agents of the Almighty to see these arrogant cast down. They shall fly with wings as if eagles to these perverse cities. And they shall go to these temples of death and kill these priests of the abomination. And they shall sing and shout slogans like "Who would Jesus Bomb?" and again life will be secure for the righteous capitalists.

[DHLA40S]

Originally Posted by Fire2box

I agree with you on the last part but unless I know what they were saying during that discussion I can't really judge it. Fox News has some really stupid title cards sometimes, but most of the time they are discussing with their own thoughts on the subject and not really stating facts. Of course other media outlets do the same thing too. It's nearly impossible to find just factual information without getting that person's view on the matter, Just like I did with this topic I stated the fact she was stepping down then I gave my view of it.

Yes, I agree with you implicitly. Isn't it so sad these days that ANY news outlet will be 25% fact, and 75% spin, and that we would have to catch the same report from Al Jazeera to have a non-political (however highly ideological) slant on any given governmental issue in the US? The direction the spin goes, right or left, always depends on who you listen to, and who you listen to depends on who you believe.

Sweet mercy, I miss Walter Cronkite.

[harris]

She never said anything about resigning because of media pressure. And even if it was, she was the one, along with the RNC, traveling to New York and Washington for every two-bit fundraiser. She was the one keeping the rumors about a 2012 run going. She could have bowed out, but she didn't.

As for what here motives for resigning are, I don't know. It definitely gets her in a position to start campaigning next year and also gets any of Alaska's problems off of her bio going into the primary. If she wants to be a national candidate, she has a lot of work to do preparing in terms of educating herself, re-defining her national image, and picking up support in the lower 48.

Is two years enough for a presidential run? Sure. How much did Washington have, or Lincon for that matter? People get on her for not having any experience, but Alaska and its economy are very complicated. She should be commended for her work. Still despise everything she stands for, but I believe she has good intentions and plenty of domestic policy experience. She just has to learn some foreign policy, some diplomacy, and how to navigate national concerns. Also, she needs to learn discipline as a candidate.

Her stated reason for leaving doesn't really make sense: "Many just accept that lame duck status, and they hit that road. They draw a paycheck. They kind of milk it. And I'm not going to put Alaskans through that." If she didn't want to be a lame duck, she didn't have to announce that she wasn't running again until the filing date (some time in 2012). And there really is no such thing as a lame duck who's also running for president. She would be too important to people who wanted favors during or after her campaign for her to get the brush off. And is she did announce that she wasn't running, she could still do her job like she did it the day before; there's no rule that says she has to "milk it."

I will say that if she does run, not having the governor's duties and problems around her neck will be helpful. Again, this frees her up to travel, make friends, learn, raise money, and really get into the internal republican holy war over which direction the party will take without the news stories about mixing her responsibilities as Alaska's governer with politics. She gets to ride her popularity to the top of the neo/christian-conservative movement, taking whatever stance on any policies without ever having to back them up with action that might (god forbid) require moderation between the real world and dogma. This might actually be a very smart move. She already received a fundraising kick after the announcement.

As for what attention she did receive, I'm afraid this is just the by-product of elections that statr sooner and sooner (see the New Hampshire and Iowa constitutions for the reason why). She's young, she was wildly popular with the portion of her party that receives the most attention (and which the other parts blame for their current situation), she made her family an active part of her pulbic persona (when there was a lot for people to criticize about her and her family), she made some questionable personal claims, she has an ongoing feud with the top GOP operatives, and there have been quite a few ethics complaints against her (most of them false).

[DHLA40S]

Indeed, Harris. However I still don't think she has a snowball's shot in Hades of getting the Republican nomination in '12 after resigning as Governor of Alaska. That sets too ugly of a standard for her character, and her integrity as a leader. If she can't handle the executive office of a sparsely populated state, how would she do in the executive office of the federal govt?

And I also don't think the negative media blitz is the real reason for her resignation either, but it does seem extremely plausible given her statements on stepping down. Perhaps having the hopes for the future of the Republican party on her back was too much pressure for her, I don't know. Somethings up though. We don't have all the facts yet.

[harris]

I still don't think she has a snowball's shot in Hades of getting the Republican nomination in '12 after resigning as Governor of Alaska. That sets too ugly of a standard for her character, and her integrity as a leader. If she can't handle the executive office of a sparsely populated state, how would she do in the executive office of the federal govt?

I don't think it's about her ability to handle the office. I think this is a purely political move that has nothing to do with whether she thought she could do a good job. If she actually makes good on her promise to serve the public outside of office, her reputation won't be damaged at all.

Not being governor allows her to do a lot more coalition building. And being able to leave the state for long periods without getting criticized for it, as Sanford was before the revelation about the affair came out, will be a bonus. She'll run in the primary, and my bet is on her or Romney.

[DHLA40S]

Yes, but the move out of office will come back to bite her, like McCain suspending his campaign to fly to DC during the sub-prime mortgage crisis, and the collapse/bailout of the major banks involved. I don't think she's naive enough to think that she can leave office, reinvent herself, and her polish her political image into one worthy of the office of the President. She's a smarter woman than one to believe she can do that. She can't just give up one office to concentrate on a higher one. That's quitting.

[Chillhouse]

Originally Posted by DHLA40S

I don't think she'll try for the Presidency. After this, the Republican party would be crazy to even consider her fit for the nomination. .

Yeah. Crazy like a fox!
It might happen.

Originally Posted by Fire2box

as far as I seen/heard/read she hasn't done anything wrong at all, so what is there to hate her for at all? Yet somehow the media just hates her in general which is what I think she was getting at in her press confrence today. Like she says she has to defend herself from false attacks using not only her own money but also wasting her time she could be using to act as governor. But all their time is being spent on damage control of lies/rumors or whatever else people like to spread around about her.

Stop blaming the media. Sarah Palin is responsible for her own ruined career. If you wanna blame it on anyone besides her, blame it on the people. The media only reports what the people want. The media can not hate, or love anyone, because the media is not a person. The media merely relays what the masses feel.

[Fire2box]

Originally Posted by Chillhouse

Stop blaming the media. Sarah Palin is responsible for her own ruined career. If you wanna blame it on anyone besides her, blame it on the people. The media only reports what the people want. The media can not hate, or love anyone, because the media is not a person. The media merely relays what the masses feel.

That almost made me laugh. True the media is not a person, the media is made up of many people. However there's always that one person at the top which can dictate downwards, that's how companies work last time I checked.

I don't see how Sara Palin has any blame to take over then she stated her views on many issues, which we do here all of the time. Not everyone is going to agree with her ideas or even valves but that's no reason to attack someone and make up slander on the person.