Had an interesting discussion in Bible class.

[Millenniumfalsehood]

It's an interesting thought though. With our capabilities with manipulating the genome, there's no telling what kind of wonders are in store for us, and the possibility of human/animal fusions is frankly intriguing to me.

Originally Posted by weswissa

Also, me, being a Baptist, use the New Testament, so all the stuff in the Old Testament is no longer used... but they provide great stories for us to abide by and most of the rules set down in the OT are in the NT so it doesn't matter...

Good point weswissa. I'd like to further expound on it by quoting Hebrews 8:6-7

"But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second."

The Old Testament Law had faults, such as the inability of the blood of livestock to get rid of sin(Heb 10:4), and so God saw fit to establish a better one.

[Fire2box]

Originally Posted by Lukie

Well, the bible isn't meant to be taken literally, or at least I think so. There's too many contradictions

I can agree with it not to be taken literally to a extent. Hell I don't even go to church myself mainly since I don't think we need to worship in the presence of others and I see no reason to other then "Oh look at me I am good and I am holyer then thou" BS. I however can not agree with the whole contradiction thing. Just name me ONE contradiction in the bible.

[handfulofoats]

Bible Inconsistencies: Bible Contradictions?

Those are a fewer of the literal contradictions. I haven't read the bible to know the deeper contradictions.

[Fire2box]

Originally Posted by handfulofoats

Bible Inconsistencies: Bible Contradictions?

Those are a fewer of the literal contradictions. I haven't read the bible to know the deeper contradictions.

I think I could see a few of those to be true but when you got a book that's written by about 22 different people who might not know their writings will one day be a staple of their religion I would expect a few literal contradictions. Plus its not impossible that we interpreted the texts wrong. Anyways like you said they are literal contradictions not spiritual ones and since the book was written by humans and we all know humans make mistakes...

Anyways thanks for the link it is a rather nice read.

[Millenniumfalsehood]

Like Fire2Box said, it's entirely possible that those inconsistancies are the fault of the interpreter, not the original manuscripts. The Bible was originally written in Hebrew and Greek, which are very different in syntax and vocabulary than English. It's incredibly hard to translate something from one language to another without losing something in the translation. Plus, most of those inconsistancies have little to do with the plan of salvation(except maybe hurting the faith of Christians who read them superficially).

[weswissa]

Originally Posted by Millenniumfalsehood

It's an interesting thought though. With our capabilities with manipulating the genome, there's no telling what kind of wonders are in store for us, and the possibility of human/animal fusions is frankly intriguing to me.



Good point weswissa. I'd like to further expound on it by quoting Hebrews 8:6-7

"But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second."

The Old Testament Law had faults, such as the inability of the blood of livestock to get rid of sin(Heb 10:4), and so God saw fit to establish a better one.

Then up my rep... and I don't know if I'm just repeating it cause I don't have my Bible with me... sacrificing... and the not eating meat or fish...

Originally Posted by handfulofoats

Bible Inconsistencies: Bible Contradictions?

Those are a fewer of the literal contradictions. I haven't read the bible to know the deeper contradictions.

GE 2:17 Adam was to die the very day that he ate the forbidden fruit.
GE 5:5 Adam lived 930 years.
It said he was to die, it didn't say he was going to die... I'm guessing God didn't think it right to punish Adam for the mistake of Eve... therefore God is a Man...
GE 4:9 God asks Cain where his brother Able is.
PR 15:3, JE 16:17, 23:24-25, HE 4:13 God is everywhere. He sees everything. Nothing is hidden from his view.
Of course God knows where he is, he wants to know if Cain knows where he is.
GE 2:15-17, 3:4-6 It is wrong to want to be able to tell good from evil.
HE 5:13-14 It is immature to be unable to tell good from evil.
That is not a contradiction or an inconsistency.
GE 1:3-5 On the first day, God created light, then separated light and darkness.
GE 1:14-19 The sun (which separates night and day) wasn't created until the fourth day.
He created it on the first day... then it showed up as the sun on the fourth day.
GE 4:4-5 God prefers Abel's offering and has no regard for Cain's.
2CH 19:7, AC 10:34, RO 2:11 God shows no partiality. He treats all alike.
You have to read the story to know why this isn't an inconsistency.
GE 4:15, DT 32:19-27, IS 34:8 God is a vengeful god.
EX 15:3, IS 42:13, HE 12:29 God is a warrior. God is a consuming fire.
EX 20:5, 34:14, DT 4:24, 5:9, 6:15, 29:20, 32:21 God is a jealous god.
LE 26:7-8, NU 31:17-18, DT 20:16-17, JS 10:40, JG 14:19, EZ 9:5-7 The Spirit of God is (sometimes) murder and killing.
NU 25:3-4, DT 6:15, 9:7-8, 29:20, 32:21, PS 7:11, 78:49, JE 4:8, 17:4, 32:30-31, ZP 2:2 God is angry. His anger is sometimes fierce.
2SA 22:7-8 (KJV) "I called to the Lord; ... he heard my voice; ... The earth trembled and quaked, ... because he was angry. Smoke came from his nostrils. Consuming fire came from his mouth, burning coals blazed out of it."
EZ 6:12, NA 1:2, 6 God is jealous and furious. He reserves wrath for, and takes revenge on, his enemies. "... who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? His fury is poured out like fire, and rocks are thrown down by him."
2CO 13:11, 14, 1JN 4:8, 16 God is love.
GA 5:22-23 The fruit of the Spirit of God is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.
He is all of those things.
GE 6:4 There were Nephilim (giants) before the Flood.
GE 7:21 All creatures other than Noah and his clan were annihilated by the Flood.
NU 13:33 There were Nephilim after the Flood.
Obviously that means that Nephilim was a creature that Noah kept on his Arc.
GE 11:7-9 God sows discord.
PR 6:16-19 God hates anyone who sows discord.
God is not anyone. He is everything. He is the only one who can sow discord.
GE 11:9 At Babel, the Lord confused the language of the whole world.
1CO 14:33 Paul says that God is not the author of confusion.
He is not the author of it, but he can still use it.
GE 11:12 Arpachshad [Arphaxad] was the father of Shelah.
LK 3:35-36 Cainan was the father of Shelah. Arpachshad was the grandfather of Shelah.
Father doesn't have to mean bloodline father, it can be a father figure.
GE 12:7, 17:1, 18:1, 26:2, 32:30, EX 3:16, 6:2-3, 24:9-11, 33:11, NU 12:7-8, 14:14, JB 42:5, AM 7:7-8, 9:1 God is seen.
EX 33:20, JN 1:18, 1JN 4:12 God is not seen. No one can see God's face and live. No one has ever seen him.
God is everywhere, so of course you can see him. If you look at him, you die.
GE 15:9, EX 20:24, 29:10-42, LE 1:1-7:38, NU 28:1-29:40, God details sacrificial offerings.
JE 7:21-22 God says he did no such thing.
Look at the verse and it contradicts what this person wrote.

In fact I have done enough of these to prove that person who made this knows nothing. The Bible has no contradictions... there are human errors, but no contradictions...


~Weswissa

[Thallis]

Originally Posted by Millenniumfalsehood

Well said, Lukie. Like I said, it was just food for thought.

Actually I believe in limited evolution, but from my understanding about DNA and biology I find it highly unlikely that different species could form from one another(OT, it is interesting that human DNA has more in common with chicken DNA than chimpanzee DNA).

Humans and chimpanzee's DNA are about 98% alike.

[d4l]

Originally Posted by weswissa

I say they go to Hell because they are an abomination of God's work... not really, but I do agree that they have no souls so they can't possibly go to Heaven or Hell.

~Weswissa

The person would be a different person and therefore is a soul existed then they would have one. Secondly don't don't speak for god(if he exists) no where in the bible does it deal with clones.

Originally Posted by Millenniumfalsehood

Well said, Lukie. Like I said, it was just food for thought.

Actually I believe in limited evolution, but from my understanding about DNA and biology I find it highly unlikely that different species could form from one another(OT, it is interesting that human DNA has more in common with chicken DNA than chimpanzee DNA). But I don't want to get into a debate right now.
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Well why don't you take your knowledge and explain to all the secular scientists why evolution can't happen. I bet they would give you all ears.(before laughing you out of the building)

By the way as stated(correctly i might ad) humans share 98% percent of the same DNA as chimps. I bet you that chickens share ALOT less.(oh and sources please pulling things out your behind never gets you very far) Its funny how you can believe that small evolutions can happen but large evolutions cant happen over time. Seems a bit contradictory to me.

I can see why you wouldn't want to get into a debate.

EDIT: after some research chicken share 60% common dna. So try again. By the way i provide sources for mine.(see not anal expulsions?)
http://www.livescience.com/animals/c...me_041208.html

Originally Posted by Fire2box

I think I could see a few of those to be true but when you got a book that's written by about 22 different people who might not know their writings will one day be a staple of their religion I would expect a few literal contradictions. Plus its not impossible that we interpreted the texts wrong. Anyways like you said they are literal contradictions not spiritual ones and since the book was written by humans and we all know humans make mistakes...

Anyways thanks for the link it is a rather nice read.

Well being that the bible is(supposedly) the INSPIRED WORD OF GOD you think the holy men could keep contradictions to a minimum(none).

In fact I have done enough of these to prove that person who made this knows nothing. The Bible has no contradictions... there are human errors, but no contradictions..

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No, not really. You interepated the verses differently than the person that made the page(albeit to your own need, though i cant fault you as thats basically what he did) To say the bible is free of contradiction is false, but its about interpretation more than anything(see why there are christian gay sects)

[Kovalchuk]

In my opinion, Satan was merely embodied in the form of the snake.

[dogboy]

Originally Posted by kite

finally i can find out what baby tastes like!

Well, I've tried it and I really wasn't impressed, but then I don't like veal! I've heard though, that with enough maranara sauce, they're not so bad.

Did you know that Genesis was one of the last books of the old Testament to be written, even though it appears as the first? The Garden story is about original sin. In the high church, Advent always begins with the reading about Adam and Eve, and because they sinned and were cast out of the garden, Christ comes to forgive our sins. Though when you think about it, man has to wait thousands of years for Christ to come so that he might find eternal rest. I believe that in the Catholic Church, they believe that those soles rested in Hell until his coming, and there are some who believe all souls rest in Hell until the second coming. It gets confusing and frustrating. Theology is always a bummer But in some corners of the church, hell is a waiting place, as is Purgatory. There was a play written called I think, "The Waiting Room". All these people are just waiting in a room for something, and they don't realize that they have died. Anyway, Genesis was written late, because it ties into the prophesy of the Messiah.

As for Satan, did you know that in the Aramaic, Satan mean prosecutor. He condemns us like a prosecuting attorney of our sins, and thus demoralizes us. Anyway, that's the theology. Then Christ gives us hope by forgiving us of our sins, and gives eternal life. So because of Adam and Eve, we are all guilty of sin, and who isn't, but it doesn't matter, because we are forgiven. And I hope you all have a Merry Christmas, because The Garden and the birth of Christ are part of the same. One of the Christmas carols of the Anglican Church is "Adam Lay Ebounden". I guess you can't have forgiveness without sin.