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Originally Posted by Mako
To Ron: If I'm not mistaken, instead of teaching christ, he teaches to follow him instead of christ so they are not decieved by others. Which to me in itself sounds like something a false teacher would do.
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I don't see what makes you say that Paul is trying to tell people not to follow Christ. To me, Paul's doctrine does not contradict anything that Jesus taught. Paul did not ever physically interact with Jesus (not counting his Damascus Road encounter)...everything he learned/wrote was inspired by the Holy Spirit (or if you don't believe that, learned from disciples like Peter). So Paul probably did not even hear everything that Jesus says in the 4 gospels. But like I've said...while their messages (and audiences) were different, I don't see how Paul is trying to get the Corinthians to abandon Christ and follow him instead.
In addition, while Paul does instruct the Corinthians to follow him instead of false teachers in chapter 4, in chapter 1 (verses 12-17) he rebukes people for saying that they belong to himself. He points out that it was Jesus who was crucified and that people are baptized in Jesus' name, not his own.
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Originally Posted by Mako
But to note, paul does judge, and inject his own views, admittedly so.
1 corinthians 7:25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
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Chapter 7 of 1st Corinthians is the only place in all of Paul's writing that I have ever found that he offers his own opinion. And he's honest about it...he says that he is not writing a message from God like all of his other writings, he is merely giving his own opinion. Yes, he uses the word judgment...but that doesn't mean he is judging people, calling them evil (which is the message that Jesus was getting across). He is just giving his opinion...if people don't follow it, he's not saying that they are sinning or are doing evil.
In his opinion, he thinks it is best for the Corinthians to stay virgins. However, because he didn't get this commandment from God, he says that if they don't, they're not doing anything wrong. I don't see why it's a problem that Paul is doing this, or how it would contradict any of Jesus' teachings, or cause people to do follow him instead of Jesus.
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Originally Posted by Mako
And keep in mind this is a SINGLE book. I'm simply to lazy at the time to start cross referencing from other statements made by paul, jesus, and other disciples that paint an incomprehensible mess of a story.
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There are many books of the New Testament, with many different audiences and messages. While they can be difficult to sort through, I don't think that makes the whole picture of them incomprehensible, nor do I think that they are at odds with one another. I truly do think that one can find harmony between them.
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Originally Posted by Mako
1 corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
But according to paul, this is the plan...
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I think a verse that goes very well with the one you mentioned is this one:
1 Corinthians 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Basically, meaning that unless someone has been saved, the Bible will probably just look like a bunch of stupid writing.
Anyway...if you respond to this post, my next response to you will be through a PM, because we have gotten very much off the original topic.
